About 3 months ago, I threatened over at TeamPyro to discuss the Catalyst podcast and I got bogged down with other things.

Go listen to it for yourself (the current edition should be Barna -- that's episode 14), and then read my review of Barna's book from a year ago (Part1 Part2). Let me say that if there was ever a time we needed a guy like Tim Enloe on the "right" team, it is in thinking about what Barna advocates in this interview.

And then you'll be ready to discuss Catalyst with me.